Moving on…not much more left to cover I don’t think. Well, as I said, there is one big one left:
*And it’s Tyler Zeller!! Ok, no it’s not. But he’s the 2nd to last one on the current roster to go over. 8 million dollar non-guaranteed contract for next year. To no one’s surprise, I’d rather spend that money on someone else. Like…someone a lot better perhaps. There’s really not much more to say.
*Isaiah Thomas. Of course. IT. What do we do with Isaiah?
I can tell you I have gone back and forth on this one all year…and longer actually. I know, he averaged almost 30 points a game this season, so how can there be any debate?
Well, when thinking about it during the regular season, the fact remained that IT hadn’t done much in the playoffs. Yes, I also know that he hasn’t always had a lot of help. But it was a concern. Another concern was that at his size, how will he hold up over the years? Legitimate question, especially if we are talking about giving him max dollars…or close to it. And his negative value on defense. Ultimately, is he the kind of player you really want to build around?
Lots of question marks. I feel like he played better this playoff season. Of course the Celtics played more games, but I felt better about his overall performance. Especially considering the circumstances surrounding him with the death of his sister at the beginning of the playoffs. And sure, he struggled some on the court. But let’s face it, you are going to face better competition in the playoffs, so things are going to be tougher to come by.
Then…the hip. Was this the reason he struggled in some games? Who knows? He supposedly had the injury for several weeks. But then it got to a point where he couldn’t go anymore. I don’t know Isaiah personally of course. But I have to believe that if he was sitting playoff games out, it was pretty serious. I’ve heard some question that and I don’t buy that argument. I believe that if he could have played, he would have.
But the injury adds another layer to it all. We still don’t know how serious the injury is. Early indications were that if he had to have surgery, he’d be out 6-9 months or something like that. But we don’t know if he needs the surgery yet. So…another lingering concern.
Add it all up and what to do with Isaiah is a little tricky. But I’ve made my decision.
I’m keeping him and giving him some dough.
Maybe that’s me just getting caught up in his regular season performance this year. Loving how he keeps proving people wrong. I don’t know. But I do know he has been successful here. He has one year left on his current contract at about six and a quarter million…another bargain year. Sure, he will have to get his money after next season. But the C’s will be able to give him more, based on his Bird rights or some sort of cap mumbo jumbo that no one really completely understands. This will also give the Celtics more room to sign other guys too. So giving IT max or close to max money won’t kill them. From what I hear anyway.
I’ve discussed offering IT in trades before. I wouldn’t totally rule that out either. But the hip injury dampens his value a bit. Plus, he fits this system and may have more value to the local team than any others. Brad Stevens has been able to maneuver things where he can “hide” Isaiah on defense. Maybe not always, but seemingly a lot. Danny Ainge has always loved him and he usually hangs onto guys like that.
I think he stays, gets huge money after next season, but the team continues to build around him and he becomes just a piece and not necessarily the main guy. Just one of the main guys. Hope he will be ok with that…and I think he will be.
That does it for the end of season roster. But we are not done. Some more players/points to talk about:
*Geurschon Yabusele/Ante Zizic. 2016 first round draft picks. These two will be here next year. Not sure how much they play though. Both averaged about 100 points a game overseas I believe. But against Chinese and Turkish competition, I also believe. Noted powerhouses they are not. Zizic HAS to be better than Zeller and has some size, so hopefully he can add something. I don’t really have much more to say really…
*Abdel Nader. 2016 2nd round pick. He will be here I bet too…because they got him to stick around last year up in Maine instead of going elsewhere. Likely made him a promise for 2017-18, since the 2016-17 team had a roster crunch. But again, he has to be end of bench material. I guess he played well for Maine, but that is the WNBA…er, I mean the NBA Development League. I think James Young put up 40 every time they sent him there. So I am not expecting much.
*The “other”Marcus Thornton/Ben Pepper. 2nd round picks, Thornton from 2015 and Pepper from 1997. Ok, they won’t be here. But the team still holds their rights. That has to count for something.
*Lonzo Ball. Please God, nnnnooooooo…
*Markelle Fultz. I think the C’s keep the #1 pick and take Fultz. Since I know nothing about college hoops, my analysis may really end here. Fultz seems to be the consensus #1. Maybe some other guys are good too, but it looks like Fultz is the guy.
And if he is, he needs to be the 3rd guard (presumably behind IT and Marcus Smart, with Terry Rozier the 4th guy, if he remains here…and Avery Bradley traded…as I see it anyway). Fultz needs to play. But not start…yet. He definitely needs to come in and play meaningful minutes though.
*2018 Brooklyn first round pick. Giddyup!!
*Three 2017 second round picks. Yaaaaawn.
*Gordon Hayward. And there’s this offseason’s Al Horford. Maybe he likes Utah and will stay there. I just don’t see it. Sure, a lot of people are talking about this because of the Brad Stevens/Butler connection. But I also hear that Boston can offer Hayward more money over the long haul. I have no idea if this is true, but if so, that has to mean something too. Boston over Utah, just in general? Has to be a no brainer. Ok, maybe another team makes a run at him too. But it just feels like a done deal. I’m probably wrong.
Is Hayward a top 10 player in the league? Maybe not. A pretty good player nonetheless. And many believe he will actually come here. No small feat when you consider the Celtics have problems attracting marquee free agents in their history, despite being the most decorated NBA franchise. Then put him with IT, Horford, Fultz, Smart, Jaylen Brown, etc. and you may start to have something.
*Paul George. Seems hell-bent on eventually landing in Lakerland. At least that is the popular opinion. I’m not sure I would trade for him if that is the case.
*Jimmy Butler. Whatever. Good player. I just think the other options available to the Celtics are preferable.
*Big man X. I don’t know who this is. Hopefully someone who can bang around in the paint. I know Brad likes his big guys to heave up threes and all. But they should have a better presence inside somewhat next year. I think anyway. Ideally, they can dangle Bradley and/or Jae Crowder. We’ll see.
Ok, so where does that leave us? What it may look like:
Center: Big Man X, Zizic
Power forward: Horford, Yabusele, Jerebko
Small forward: Hayward, Brown, Nader
“Shooting” guard: Smart, Fultz
Point guard: Isaiah, Rozier, Jackson
A cheap veteran and/or 2nd round picks fill out the roster. Bradley is your trade chip, tough to keep Crowder if Hayward is here and Brown needs minutes, Jerebko could be cheap and Brad loves him, Kelly Olynyk is still an option, but he may get some dough…or get squeezed by the team needing his money for other guys. Moving pieces here and I’m certainly not looking to give Crowder and Bradley away. Hell, they could still end up being here under their reasonable contracts. They probably will, to be quite honest.
Championship team? Nope, but one with some promise. Especially if “Big Man X” is a player.
BUT if Anthony Davis is available and can be had…well…I may have to rewrite these three posts in their entirety…
…but the natives are getting restless. Especially after this uninspiring 3 game stretch for the Boston Celtics following the NBA trading deadline.
The “told ya so” was for the fact I didn’t expect Danny Ainge to do anything last Thursday. I wish he did something…at least get some sort of big man who could get a few rebounds. But certainly not surprised he didn’t. Just had that hunch all along.
To reiterate from the last piece, I do not blame Danny for standing pat. The names you heard that were the targets, primarily Paul George and Jimmy Butler, carried plenty of risks. First of all, the Pacers and Bulls, respectively, really did not want to trade those players by all indications. So apparently they were asking for the sun, the moon and the stars. Which I would do too under those circumstances. But Ainge was smart in not giving it to them. Whatever was left on the C’s roster if they made a deal like that still may not have been enough to supplant the Cavs, so what’s the point?
Then…the Brooklyn picks. The more I hear about the 2017 draft, the more I hear that there could be several great players coming out of it. Who really knows with all these college guys, but it seems to be a deeper draft than last year. And a draft that could produce some studs. We’ll see, but if you are not going to get past the Cavaliers under almost any scenario, why would you rush to give one of those picks up?
So the “big deal” not happening didn’t disappoint me. But the “minor deal” not being struck kind of bothered me. Sure, this type of deal would not have made the Celtics champions. But if the deal brought in some size and rebounding skill, it certainly wouldn’t have hurt. Some of the lesser players acquired went for cheap as well. Nerlens Noel, P.J. Tucker, Taj Gibson to name a couple. Tucker’s not a giant, but appears to be good for 6 plus rebounds a game in his career. I’m not sure why Noel’s stock had plummeted in Philly. But he seemed like a pretty good fit for the C’s. And the Sixers kind of gave him away. I don’t know…
To me, there is a lot of dead weight at the back-end of the Celtics roster. Danny and Wyc Grousbeck keep chirping about the “#10-#15 on the roster” being important and contributing and blah blah blah. They can’t really believe that, right?
Demetrius Jackson has played 17 MINUTES this season. Ssssoooo…completely forgotten by the team…and also by me…that I actually couldn’t remember his first name right off the bat. Jordan Mickey and James Young have barely played. Tyler Zeller, Gerald Green and Jonas Jerebko are equal parts fungible and…useless. I don’t see how these guys have been so valuable.
Furthermore, of the aforementioned six players, maybe Jackson is here next year on potential, but that’s no guarantee. There’s a pretty good chance NONE of the other five are here next year. If they are not truly contributing here this year and they won’t be here next year, why do we care about “#10-#15” on the roster the rest of the year?
Take any of these guys, any of the numerous non-Brooklyn picks upcoming and whatever else and get a Noel. Just seemed like something that could be done fairly easily…especially in hindsight for us, seeing as the cost wasn’t high. Hindsight for us, but Danny knew what the cost was. And even at a low one, he still didn’t do it. Hard to figure.
In any event, the Celtics have come out after the deadline and played pretty brutal. Tonight’s game against the Hawks was tough to watch. A loss to Toronto after having a 17 point lead. And a win against Detroit that probably only was a win because the Pistons couldn’t hit free throws, or hit layups or dunks…well, mostly Andre Drummond was to blame for most of those, but still. Not a great win.
Perhaps the players let down a little because the front office didn’t come through? They saw other teams around them improve, but Ainge did nothing? They think management wants to still stay on the long-term course while they are ready to take the next step forward now? Can’t rule any of that out. But it would kind of be a poor reflection on the players. And of course it’s only a three game sample. So we will just have to see how that plays out over the next several games.
Either way, it appears that Ainge and the rest of management have determined that they cannot take that next step this year. I think that was made loud and clear at the deadline.
As the Blowhard has referenced many times recently, let’s just hope those “fireworks” that Celtics ownership promised long ago actually happen this upcoming offseason. I mean, is there any way we can speed this whole thing up? Please?
The NBA trading deadline is Thursday at 3:00pm. Will the Boston Celtics make any moves? Your guess is as good as mine.
DeMarcus Cousins was the first major name to move. Sure, Serge Ibaka is useful. Tyreke Evans used to be pretty good I think, but he has been beset by injuries the last two years. Maybe Buddy Hield and Jusuf Nurkic will be good. But as for the big ones, it’s only Cousins thus far. And he got traded for something less than full value. Well, maybe not if Hield turns into Steph Curry as the Sacramento owner apparently thinks he can. He may be the only one who thinks that however. But what do I know?
No doubt a lot of Celtic fans are pissed that Cousins went for what he did (Evans, Hield, Langston Galloway, first round pick, second round pick…along with the Kings adding Omri Casspi as well). The C’s have a lot more assets they could have offered than that, why didn’t they get him? Well, it looks like they didn’t go after him, for one. Why? Couldn’t they use a 6’11”, 270 lb dude to get some boards and score a ton? Who couldn’t? Guess there was too much baggage around him. So I can’t say I entirely blame the organization. But for that price? I may have sucked it up.
Moving on…we all know Danny has to do something…and soon. With the contracts of Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart expiring after next season, the window appears to be closing with the current crew. 3 of your best 5 players (with Al Horford and Jae Crowder) due up at the same time is not ideal. The only other player on the current roster worth mentioning as having a role in the future would be Jaylen Brown. The other 9 guys could all leave tomorrow and not a lot of people would care.
So…isn’t there some urgency for Thursday? You can’t sign all three of the guards, can you?
As for trade targets, you all hear the same names: Jimmy Butler and Paul George at the top of the list. Blake Griffin. Jahlil Okafor, Nerlens Noel and Andrew Bogut to a much lesser degree. Cousins is obviously out now whether they wanted him or not. And the pipe dream that was Anthony Davis is now definitely out as well.
We’ve been waiting for the next shoe to drop with Ainge for quite some time now. He made a good run at Kevin Durant last summer. But I think most of us knew KD wasn’t coming here. And now he is sitting on a pile of assets (still!) and with the contracts above soon to expire, now is the time to make a move.
Despite the monster year that Isaiah is having, I’d still be wary of giving him the max deal. Will he physically hold up at his size for those years? Will he prove anything in the playoffs? Perhaps, but it’s a risk. By all indications, I think the C’s are willing to take that risk. So he stays. Smart has continued to develop. It looks like he stays. Bradley is the guy that is expendable. Despite the injury concerns with him, I would imagine he still holds nice value.
Jae Crowder is a nice player. But I have to think we have seen his ceiling already. Jaylen Brown could soar by that ceiling. But Crowder has to certainly have some value.
The team has 3 guys in Europe from the last 2 drafts. They have a first and 3 second rounders in the next draft, in which the first could be #1 overall. Excess picks in future years too. Plenty of expiring contracts. They should easily be able to match salaries in any deal.
So what is Ainge waiting for?
The scuttlebutt is that Danny tries to “win” every deal. Which I am sure every GM tries to do. But isn’t always possible of course. Sometimes the deal just has to work for both teams almost equally. If Danny needs to win all of the deals, that is kind of a problem.
That being said, the right deal may very well have not presented itself yet. Maybe other teams want Bradley and Crowder…as well as both Net picks, Brown and maybe more. For one guy coming back this way, does that make sense? I’m not sure it does, despite how great the possible superstar is coming back.
We also have to consider the willingness for other teams to even trade said superstar. Butler and George are the most popular names out there. Thus far from what we have heard, neither the Bulls or Pacers, respectively, seem inclined to move their player. Or have seem inclined to this point anyway. We heard Butler rumors last year where Chicago was asking for like 3 of the top 4 Celtic players and all three of their 2016 first round picks…or something like that. Way too much.
This may change by Thursday at 3:00. My feeling is that it won’t.
We all know Danny has to do something soon. Danny knows Danny has to do something soon. But I don’t think he does it by Thursday. I think he keeps the same team that is 17 games over .500 now and only 3 games behind Cleveland in the East. I think he keeps the Brooklyn picks and continues the upward progression. Although I am pretty impatient, I can’t say I blame Ainge if he takes this route. A big move at this point in the season may not mean that all of a sudden they can beat Cleveland in the East and then beat Golden State or one of the powers out West THIS year. What happens if Ainge gives up too much of the current roster and then things are in a little bit of disarray? Can’t rule that out. Also can’t rule out that the other contenders will help themselves as well by the deadline.
I expect Ainge to try to do something. He wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t. But if the price is too high, he will continue to stockpile the assets, see if the Nets pick is #1 overall and then get ready for something else down the road. He may do something minor…like get Bogut or someone similar for a smaller cost…but I think the huge deal finally happens this offseason. It HAS to.